This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
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To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
@Dharmadhyaksha and Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: The tag wasn’t' there when I was inspecting the article as a reviewer. Also the article was good to me in that time and it was edited many times by many users and ip after review. Mehedi Abedin11:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this needs to be rephrased. '33% of MPs will be required to be women although new Lok Sabha has only 14%?' It's 33 percent of MPs are mandated to be women, not 33 percent of women MPs; there is a fundamental difference. Will Thorpe (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This hook feels really wordy, which is why I think it hasn't been promoted yet. Is there any way to trim it a bit? What about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk)02:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So wait, basically the hook is that the percentage of female MPs is less than what's mandated by a law that isn't even in force yet? I'm not sure I find that particularly surprising or intriguing. ♠PMC♠ (talk)19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes.... its way less that what would be required by maybe next elections. I understand the hook is becoming un-interesting as we are being factually correct. Hence i was using "will be required" and skipping the part of "when will it be required". If you have any other suggestions, we can think of those too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short than the 33% which will be required after the Women's Reservation Bill, 2023 is enforced after the delimitation of constituencies happens post this 2024 elections." That sentence doesn't make much sense without context. Consider rewording it to flow better like the original proposed hooks. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it needs copyediting, let's not give it a tick yet. Noting that Mehedi Abedin used a non-standard non-substituted tick icon that the bot doesn't understand; please use the standard icon codes located above the edit window in order to properly approve a nomination. Many thanks. Also pinging AirshipJungleman29, in case they want to add that approval icon after the copyedit is completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been open for almost two months. The copyedit was in July and hasn't happened yet. Just foreshadowing that I'm about to close this nomination as unsuccessful. Schwede6622:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Copyediting tag was placed on last day of July!! Its been only 5 days since then. And why do we have so many bosses at DYK these days who are actually not helping the nomination in any way? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have too many nominations and try to get rid of stuff that's stale. This is the oldest open nomination. If you get on with it, then all's good. Schwede6606:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 an end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find Alt1 to be the most interesting. I find Alt2 to be confusing. What does Indira Gandhi have to do with the birthday of Rahman? VR(Please ping on reply)13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Done. Please check the article now. I made the paragraphs smaller except "Bangabandhu's perspective" and "Observances" sections because they are already small. Added end-of-sentence citations for all hook. Let me know if there is anything left to do. Mehedi Abedin14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Needs a copyedit for poor grammar. The "Observances" section is not supported by the source, which states what happened in 2019, not what must happen every year. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I edited the observances section a little bit because the source talk about the day's observances in 2019. But the source also says that it is an public holiday so I kept that part without editing. If you could say in which parts I need copyedit then it will help me. Mehedi Abedin16:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking. When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Single constituency (of 76k electorates) retaining its member for multiple elections is way different than a complete state of 147 constituencies (of 33200k electorates) doing it. If you wanna cite an example, cite one of equal magnitude. You may not be finding it interesting since you have wrong knowledge of elections in India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the second-oldest open nomination is yours as well. Rest assured this isn't about you. It's us trying to cope with the onslaught of too many nominations. Schwede6606:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur that a hook about a basic feature of politics is not interesting. I'd suggest something like "ALT1 ...that Mohan Charan Majhi went from being suspended from the Odisha Legislative Assembly for throwing dal at the speaker's podium to becoming its Chief Minister in less than a year", but a) I'm not sure the sourcing's strong enough, and b) I suspect the DYKHOOKBLP police might snort.--Launchballer12:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Launchballer: Alt1 suggested by your is ok with me. Just simplifying it as ALT1a below keeping the reason of suspension out for curiosity.
The Times of India is yellow on WP:RSP and I saw "(Except for the headline, this story has not been edited by NDTV staff and is published from a syndicated feed.)" on the NDTV source, although looking at its source, the Press Trust of India, no-one at RSP has complained about it so it should be fine. (Possibly showing my immaturity, but to me almost any kind of food fight's interesting.) I can't approve ALT1a and this is quite near the top, so someone should show up fairly quickly.--Launchballer07:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not giving this a tick, but I'd just like to point out that given that ToI is yellow and not red. Being yellow, and even being red in some cases, doesn't necessarily mean it can't be used. It just means it has to be used on a case-by-case basis. It should be fine for non-controversial and straightforward stuff, although if a better source can be found, that would be preferable and the ToI source could be replaced. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk)15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk)19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is really how to present the hook. We've had issues over "first" hooks for a long while, so if it really is the first we have to be sure that it's right. Otherwise, finding a compromise wording is tricky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I was under the impression that the above included a review. This is long enough, new enough, copyvio free and QPQ exempt. I don't see any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. This still needs someone else to approve ALT2.--Launchballer19:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [2]
Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed. Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: SounderBruce hasn't responded to this in over a week, so I'll take over from here. I took out one sentence per WP:SUMMARY, and was about to move the 1966 closure to the end of the paragraph beginning "On August", but the cited source doesn't mention the date. Could one be added?--Launchballer12:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's better, although I just noticed a bunch of stuff in the infobox that isn't sourced. For DYK purposes you can just add cites to the infobox but I think the article would be better if it was added to the body.--Launchballer12:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Airport codes, opening date, timezone, elevation, and the runway stuff. I think you can get away with just linking Bureau of Aeronautics to Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines.--Launchballer12:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor(talk)23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and reopened per query at WT:DYK, this is a fairly unambiguous violation of WP:DYKBLP, "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided". Not quite sure why this was approved and promoted. A new hook will be needed, and more generally I wonder if the article itself is compliant with WP:BLPCRIME. The embassy official isn't named, but as a non-public figure we shouldn't have accusations if a conviction wasn't secured. The article doesn't seem to say what the conclusion of this saga was, it's sort of left hanging currently. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: At WT:DYK, I suggested "that although diplomatic relations between the Philippines and Jordan were established in 1976, the Philippines would not open an embassy there until 1980?", which RoySmith was "fine with running", however you said you didn't think it was "that unusual". What hook would you suggest?--Launchballer12:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with that one. Yeah it's perhaps not the most unusual thing, but this is an embassy - it's hardly going to have anything of earth-shattering about it, other than the BLPCRIME issue already mentioned and which I don't regard as suitable. I'd replace would not open... with did not open... myself, but otherwise fine with LB's suggestion. — Amakuru (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I agree that it's not a particularly exciting hook, but at least it's not categorically unsuitable as the first one was :-) RoySmith(talk)13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing else I can see in the article that stands out other than maybe it also being in charge of Filipinos in Palestinian territories, or maybe the showing of Filipino films. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK after all, although given how my comment appears to go against consensus there's not much I can do. I do think that this "we can use relatively uninteresting hooks if there are no other options" thing needs to at best be used sparingly. A bad hook is sometimes worse than not running the article at all, and we have to be more willing to reject nominations that are just bad fits. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't read Filipino, but the one used for its films has the phrase "Women's Film Week" in its title. Jordan is not a country known for gender equality. What's in that source?--Launchballer14:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, everyone. I'm a bit perplexed here as I don't understand how the article as it was originally written violates WP:BLPCRIME, especially given that first, the article isn't about a specific living person (the normal scope of BLP-related policy), and second, the incident in question caused quite a response in the Philippine media and by politicians in the Philippines. Given that worse things have happened, such as a similar incident at the Philippine Embassy in Damascus (which, by the way, made it to DYK with a hook pointing out that incident), I don't understand how this is suddenly seen as being non-compliant when the other one was. I am all for finding alternative hooks where they can be found, but excising the information from the article given that it is relevant to the history of the mission itself boggles me.
I should also note that while not included in the original version of the paragraph "excised" by RoySmith, the diplomat himself has been named in the press – as seen here in an article in the Pilipino Star Ngayon (in Tagalog/Filipino) – and more information about the conclusion of the probe can be included in the article as opposed to removing it entirely. --Sky Harbor(talk)17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The gist of WP:SUSPECT is editors must seriously consider not including material ... that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.RoySmith(talk)20:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having done some additional digging, RoySmith, the diplomat in question was suspended, and was also not given a new foreign assignment. Given this new information I'll proceed with restoring the information you removed from the article, adding the new information found here, and hopefully this is sufficient to proceed with the DYK for this article. --Sky Harbor(talk)20:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, my objection with the 1980 hook proposal is like this. First, establishing diplomatic relations does not necessarily mean the opening of an embassy. Indeed, the Philippines has relations with almost every nation on Earth, but it doesn't mean that it has an embassy in all of them. In fact, there are other countries that the Philippines has long had relations with but has yet to establish an embassy there. And a gap of four years isn't really that impressive: longer gaps are not unheard of even for other countries. In any case, if a new hook cannot be proposed then unfortunately the nomination will probably have to be marked as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the objection to the original hook has been addressed in the article (there was a finality to the case which has since been added), Narutolovehinata5, would it be better to rewrite ALT0 as follows (as ALT2)?
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...that while a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was implicated in a sexual exploitation scandal, he was ultimately suspended on unrelated charges?
”
This may be a bit longer than the hook length requirement but I'm open to any revisions that can be made to reduce the length. --Sky Harbor(talk)12:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I think Narutolovehinata5's DYKINT objection to ALT1 is valid and various editors' objections to ALT0 and ALT2 on DYKHOOKBLP grounds are valid and none of those hooks should run. I would suggest a hook along the lines of "that in March 2023, the Philippines' embassy in Jordan participated in a "Women's Film Week"?".--Launchballer11:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Launchballer, I should note that those objections were raised before the relevant edits were made and that neither Amakuru nor RoySmith (other than saying "sure, I can restore the paragraph with more information but I don't think it's a good idea, but who am I to judge?") have raised these objections after the fact. If there are still continuing objections despite the improved treatment of the situation in question, then I'd be open to entertaining a less "exciting" hook. --Sky Harbor(talk)07:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the edits to the article didn't have much bearing on the original decision to pull the hook. Focusing on the sexual exploitation scandal relating to an employee of the embassy, or indeed focusing on that employee being suspended for "other reasons" is not due weight for a hook summarising the embassy as a whole, and is not compliant with DYKHOOKBLP. I'd tend to agree with RoySmith thar it's not even appropriate to discuss this in the article, given the need to adhere to WP:BLPCRIME and should be not be highlighting this in the absence of a conviction. My principal concern here is about what we put on the main page though, and ALT0/ALT2 are not appropriate. — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@KunalAggarwal95: Was going to review this as this is the oldest fully unreviewed nom, however the first thing that hits me is the fact that there are two inline cleanup tags in the article, and these need to be remedied before this can go anywhere. Also, how long are you willing to wait for this? ALT2: ... that Dus Bahane was not supposed to be shot? would make an excellent April Fool's hook.--Launchballer09:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps...10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
@Lajmmoore: I've removed some of the references, so the article looks fine now – i didn't catch earlier that the quote is from the director of the museum, and now I feel uncomfortable approving it. if it were from an independent source, i might've gone ahead, but i'm a bit concerned about puffery now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 ... that the founding of Yerevan Children's Art Gallery led to the development of a national aesthetics centre? Garoian, Charles R. (1994). "Teaching Art as a Matter of Cultural Survival: Aesthetic Education in the Republic of Armenia". Journal of Aesthetic Education. 28 (2): 83–94. doi:10.2307/3333273.
Hmmm, with my "i'm a museum curator" hat on, it's not a DYK i like as it sounds a bit negligent, but I do totally see why that theme might be suggested. Maybe we can tweak it to:
Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
Note: although TheNuggeteer's comment about ALT2 was made after the ALTs were proposed, the timestamp wasn't updated, so it isn't clear what order things were posted. TheNuggeteer, if you are formally approving ALT2—that is, you've fully checked it and think it's the one that should be promoted—please be more specific below and include a new icon (tick) to supersede the "review again" icon just above my post. Thank you. I have struck the original hook because you said it doesn't seem interesting. As the ITN appearance was in the "Recent deaths" section, the nomination is not disqualified per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 seems misleading—there was no actual "confrontation" in the article, merely a disagreement over what response was suitable. I also don't find ALT1 that interesting—it's pretty clunky. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@Z1720:@Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Windy Zhan(pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong Cantopop girl group After Class who has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
Source: "詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...，她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
"《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文（Windy）雖然沒有得到三甲名次，但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...，5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
Reviewed:
Created by Will629 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hello, Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was highly praised by Taiwanese netizens for her performance in singing the Queen of the Night aria in June 2023?
And the corresponding lines are (although in Chinese):
"詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年，她在學校舉辦的社際音樂比賽演唱了一段莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，影片在台灣hit爆，更被形容為「聲樂界的明日之星」"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年參加學校舉辦的音樂比賽，演唱了莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，片段在台灣爆紅，被譽為「聲樂界的明日之星」。"
@AirshipJungleman29: For your last comment, I don't think they are churnalism as they do report the news, and it is not Twitter but Facebook. But anyway, I hope this new hook is okay and again, these are the local news sources that I could find. Actually they already constitute most of the mainstream news sources that are referring to the news itself. If it still doesn't meet the requirements, I would really like to hear your suggestions. Thank you.--Will629 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Allen Eyles (2003), Brighton and Hove Cinemas, p.71. "At midnight on Thursday 8 January 1948, the world premiere of Brighton Rock took place at the Savoy (no other cinema was in the running, as it was made by ABC's associated production company)." (First sentence from a full paragraph about the premiere. The Savoy was the name of the cinema at the time, as noted in the article.)
...No copyvio issues, neutral. Hook is followed by a citation to a reference i cannot see, though a copy of the text is provided above. Reads well and hook and article are interesting. Thank you for your work. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not aware of any other examples of this happening, and I would think it is quite abnormal for a world premiere to take place in a smallish provincial town; but I'm happy to have alternative hooks suggested. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!)11:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Airship: the premiere of a movie happening in the place where the movie takes place is not too interesting. @Hassocks5489: Can you propose some alternate hooks? If you can't think of other hooks, would it be better if this was withdrawn? Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Was a draft until today so new enough and, as I now realise, also long enough. I can't see any problems in the article around copyvio, POV or OR. Sourcing looks good overall and the hook citations appear to be sound and reliable. The hook is certainly interesting because it caught my eye immediately when I was checking my own nomination. QPQ has been done. I think this is fine and it should be promoted. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose this nomination: An article on this subject was deleted 7 months ago because of weak sourcing. There haven't been any new sources added other than a paper by the two proponents of this theory and lots of other really weak sources. Wikipedia's job isn't to promote anti-vaxx conspiracy theories or other conspiracy theories, of which in my and other people's opinions, this is one. The only people claiming that ANYONE adheres to these multiple philosophies is Torres and Gebru. ---Avatar317(talk)00:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Original admin who closed AfD undeleted it after i proposed appropriate changes. the AfD never came to consensus of conspiracy theory (just u), and deleted it due to lack of WP:N. if u want to delete this again, use AfD again or bug the original admin.Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was aware when I did the DYK review that the article is about ideologies, but I don't consider the article to be promoting those ideologies because it is neutral. The subject, in my opinion, is notable. I can't say I'm knowledgeable about TESCREAL but the article does appear to be adequately sourced. I've been reading it again and I still think the hook should be promoted. But, as I say, I am not an SME in this area so I will happily step aside if an SME is needed. Incidentally, the lead is the primary location of the hook material and its two sources. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to second the concerns brought up above: this article was merged in November for poor sourcing and the fact that it seemed to lean very heavily into the op-ed angle of the source it did use. To be clear, I certainly have a great personal distaste for the majority of people who run the majority of software companies, and ethical objections to a good portion of the United States' GDP (I am a diehard Linux user with all of the political implications that entails). However, the implication that "global tech elites" are engaged in a deliberate scheme to carry out eugenics (as one of the sources said from the previous version of this article), based on a collection of op-eds and blog posts where people who hate them say this a bunch of times, seems to raise some rather significant BLP issues. It is somewhat concerning to vaguely imply this in wikivoice as though it's settled fact, and then the citations are to a journal of biosemiotics. jp×g🗯️02:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posting on here same stuff as in the Talk Page section:
A) This article was merged for lack of WP:N. If you consider it still an issue, use WP:AfD or bug the original admin who deleted, merged, than undeleted this. It isn't a valid argument to suggest that it's settled that it deserves to remerged if we've added a ton of sourcing and improved on it. Settle it by starting the process to delete it if you want.
B) Are there reliable sources indicating that TESCREAL is a significantly derogatory epithet similar to Libtard/Chud? Marc Andreessen self-describes as TESCREAList. Many of these folks regularly ascribe to multiple of these philosophies as transhumanists, ethical altruists, long-termists, etc. Sourcing here does not necessarily imply that every TESCREAList is also a eugenicist, nor do we use WP:SYNTH to suggest that these folks are all eugenicists. There is no mention of eugenicist claims in the third section. Also, we have Big Tech as a wikipedia article along with criticism, which is also a similar "perjorative" against tech companies, and other significant "perjoratives" with negative connotations such as Democrat in Name Only and Cuckservative. These all explain what opinion writers and commentators mean, and why. This article is far more tame than many of those.
C) That more than a dozen opinions use a term like this should be notable enough. I suspect that any sort of article about philosophies will require opinionated sources or commentaries. Effective altruism includes sourcing from Centre for Effective Altruism and by extension the Effective Altruism Forum, study centers specifically invested in effective altruism and founded by leaders, as well as many opinions.
D) WP:OPINION applies here, especially for philosphical arguments. I looked for criticisms of TESCREAL. If more are published, we can include them. These sources are WP:SECONDARY, they contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Secondary sources are not necessarily independent sources.
E) If you want to settle WP:BLP, please post in the section on WP:BLPN. We've already started and done this argument. There are multiple sources on WP:PUBLICFIGUREs here alleging that many of these folks use TESCREAL to justify their tech projects, and we make sure to use the word "allege" correctly, as per WP:OPINION, along with the correct sourcing
Conclusion:) TESCREAL is unliked by some portion of folks on here for some reason. I'm happy to listen to arguments, but I want an argument about why we are suddenly so sensitive about criticism of Elon Musk/etc. for using human extinction for every time someone criticizes his behavior or cars or products. If you are just an elon musk/nick bostrum/etc. fan, than say it and stop throwing mud on an article that contains a criticism of philosophies that occurs often enough that we can gather 20+ sources, including 10 using the term in severe detail to directly dissect the argument that yelling extinction every 15 minutes doesn't mean you've justified your next mega project. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GorillaWarfare, a neutrality tag remains on this article. If this is, as it seems, a continually-controversial topic, I am not inclined to promote, having no desire to get shouted at at WP:ERRORS. Do you think the issues brought up by a number of editors can be resolved? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know whether the issues can be resolved, but I believe that this is and will remain a contentious topic, like many other articles in American politics. This topic is very new, and so the coverage of it is not what I would call "mature", which in my opinion makes it harder for an article to be stable, but GorillaWarfare will probably have a better insight on that than I.---Avatar317(talk)21:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Avatar317: The banner is not for controversial topics: it is placed when someone is concerned that the article does not use neutral language. This will need to be rectified before it is promoted, or this nomination can be withdrawn. Z1720 (talk) 00:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
at the end of the day, i think what avatar317 means to say is the topic is contentious and attracts complaints, spurious or otherwise. i personally believe we correctly attribute all opinions and statements but others do not.
Commment. I only just saw this nomination having just participated on the AfD and voting to keep. My opinion here is that the article and nomination is being unfairly targeted due to its overt criticism of Silicon Valley-related movements and philosophies. I don't personally view this topic as controversial, having written about the criticism of technological utopianism for more than a decade. However, this topic is apparently controversial for some people, and I think those people are going out of their way to make this more controversial than it needs to be by deliberately engaging in maintenance tagging, attempts at deletion (this is the second), and now blocking this DYK. Because these people are unlikely to give up and will continue to disrupt this topic area, I would encourage closing this nomination at this time and revisiting it later in the article improvement process, perhaps as a GAN. I wish we had a way to stop this kind of disruption, but I've seen this kind of thing so many times before here, and there isn't anything anyone can do to stop it. There's even extreme examples that I can recall, such as the targeted campaign against Melanie Joy and carnism, which went on from 2006 to 2013, involving multiple deletions and discussions. This kind of thing resembles that dispute. So I would close this now as unpromoted and revisit it later when the involved parties are able to act in good faith. I should note, that I personally support this DYK and would like it to pass, but I don't see that happening. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123: Some of those phrases are common descriptors that cannot be reworded without misleading readers. I reworded the "May 13" one, but the others are criteria that are very difficult to reword without changing their meaning. SounderBruce19:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a is dependent upon knowing who or what Liga MX is. ALT2 is borderline, but I'd consider lopping off the last four words.--Launchballer12:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [10]
Not a review but more of a comment, but given how international readers may not know what a Portillo moment is, it might be better to propose a hook about how Truss was the first former prime minister in about 90 years to lose her seat, as I think that's a more impressive and eyecatching fact. It's currently not in the article, but it was widely reported in the media (and it's also an easily verifiable "first" hook so it should be safe unlike other recent "first" hooks) and so it might work better as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sionk: I'm going ahead and proposing the wording; the fact still needs to be mentioned in the article and perhaps some clarification should be made on when it last happened and how long it has been since then.
Source: "In losing to Labour, Truss became the first former occupant of No. 10 to lose their seat since Ramsay McDonald lost Seaham in 1935." [11]
Frankly I don't think the original hook will work to a broad audience, particularly to readers outside the UK. Pinging TheBritinator for help regarding article content and hook accuracy (but not for reviewing) given their interest in Britain and familiarity with British politics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I don't think the original hook is really makes a lot of sense to anyone outside of the UK, even then it definitely assumes that people know what the phrasing is. I would say ALT1 is better, but that is also a bit vague. From what I remember, the last former prime minister to loose their seat was Ramsay McDonald in the 1935 United Kingdom general election, but might need to double-check that. If so, it would make sense for the 90 year part. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
Article is new, long enough and neutral. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports very few text similiarity commenting "violation unlikely". The hokk is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is within limit. Its fact is accurate, however, a reference is needed directly at the end of the sentence in the article. No QPQ is required for the nominator. I will approve after the reference issue is addressed. CeeGee15:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added the missing citing by myself because there wa no reaction in couple of days, and the issue was minor. I guess the issue was not understood. Anyway, it is now fine. Good to go. CeeGee03:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29 nuun.asia is pro-Taliban media.[1] Nevertheless, several journals, research papers, and reports [2][3][4][5][6][7][8] cited nuun.asia's article as their source. Hence, I believe that nuun.asia is still considered a reliable source.
VR, I don't think there is any major flaw with the sources used. The fact is such that a pro-Taliban source for its verification would technically seem a better fit than a western one. What is said in a fact also makes an impact on what kind of a source we ahould use to support it. As such I don't see any issues. Regards, Aafi (talk)02:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and I'm sorry for missing the context as I see now that nuun.asia is the most cited-sources in the article for biographical information. My searches indicate that this website does have an editorial insight and as such I won't mind given subject's explicit notability, already. Best Regards, Aafi (talk)02:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
^Khalil, Ahmad Bilal (2022). "Local Conflicts and Foreign Fighters: The 'Afghan Arabs' Phenomena During Afghan Conflict (1978–2021)". India Quarterly: A Journal of International Affairs. 78 (4). doi:10.1177/09749284221127780.
^Ahmadzai, Atal (2022). "IS-Khorasan: Organizational Structure, Ideological Convergence with the Taliban, and Future Prospects". Perspectives on Terrorism. 16 (5): 2. JSTOR27168613.
^Omarkhail, Ihsanullah (2023). "The trajectory of Islamic State Khorasan Province and Afghan Taliban rivalry". Small Wars & Insurgencies. doi:10.1080/09592318.2023.2288450.
^Hemat, Toryalai; Sekandary, Muhammad Ibrahim; Habib, Fazlullah; Sadiq, Abdul Saboor (2022). "Air pollution in Jalalabad city: its causes, effects, and solutions". Exima Journal. 5: 315-349.
Comment: Getting the nomination started while it's timely. The proposed hook is short as the subject's name is quite intriguing to start with and so it's best not to bury it in detail.
Created by Andrew Davidson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 128 past nominations.
... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
For the review calling her short stature an asset for appearing youthful: Alice Eversman (August 12, 1942). "Rigoletto Brings Singers to Water Gate". Washington Evening Star. p. 45.
ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor under Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR30147229.
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Created by Aneirinn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
: Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. David B. Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David B. Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie"(PDF). NCGenWeb.] I think it is likely that the writer of the twice-published obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Dr. David B Gillespie is named after his father, which would have them both with a middle names that start with the letter 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, David B. Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States. This would also make David B. Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings Launchballer, thank you for your response to this and my apologies for abandoning my nomination for Red Brown (politician). I had not realized that only prose characters are counted for the 5x expansion requirement. To answer your question, it seems as if the primordial reviewer has abandoned this nomination. I should also note that an additional source for the initial of the subject's middle name has been added to the article. Aneirinn (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever source you were using for his middle name, you weren't citing it, so I've taken it out. I am happy to take over this review, except I don't find any of the hooks interesting either (ALTs 3 and 4 are bloated versions of ALTs 0 and 1 and ALT2 is just confusing).--Launchballer06:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Citations for this in the lead are unnecessary per MOS:LEAD. Two sources cited in the body of the article mention the initial of his middle name. One even has it written in its title. Saying it "fails verification" is a bit outside of the box here, so I have returned it. I changed one word on ALT2, hopefully it is an improvement at the very least. Aneirinn (talk) 07:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am entirely at odds with the previous sentence. MOS:NAME says "The most complete name should appear at the beginning of the article to provide maximum information. Inclusion of middle names or initials... can be a useful form of disambiguation if there is more than one person known by that name." Which is the case here. MOS:LEAD supports the status quo. Would you please quote how WP:V supports this? It also mentions, "A source 'directly supports' a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source, so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of WP:NOR. The location of any citation—including whether one is present in the article at all—is unrelated to whether a source directly supports the material." Aneirinn (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: no concerns; it's a new GA. prefer ALT1 as clearer and hook-ier to a general audience. good work! ... sawyer * he/they * talk01:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think all the hooks are misleading, even ALT0. There are many systems of rounding in apportionment. All must produce rounding errors, in the sense that rounded numbers rather than exact numbers are a necessary outcome of the process. Therefore, rounding errors are not a cause of anything. Different apportionment procedures have different priorities and it is an inappropriate editorialization to call one of them correct and others incorrect. Congress did not legislate the result of rounding a particular number; they legislated a rounding procedure that applies to a system of numbers (rather than a single number at a time) that happens to have this result, because it prioritized something else and did not prioritize getting within one of the unrounded value. As a simple example (different from what actually happened) this could easily happen in a system that prioritized relative error rather than absolute error. The nominator appears to have an agenda for promoting certain electoral methods and for putting down certain other ones, rather than treating them all equally and neutrally; we should not further this agenda. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi David, do you think ALT0A is acceptable? I agree different rounding procedures are inevitable, and all of them will have various quirks and paradoxes. I'm just highlighting this as an interesting example of such a paradox. (Though I'd note that rounding 40.5 up to 42 is a difference of 1.5, making this an unusually severe violation of the quota rule, which is why it's notable/surprising.)
I'm not sure what you mean by "Therefore, rounding errors are not a cause of anything." If the results of an election would have been different with a different rounding algorithm, and also would have been correct if no rounding algorithm was used, I think it's fair to say the election results were caused by round-off errors. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep saying "correct". Stop. That is the problem. An imputation that some procedures are correct and others are not is what is causing this issue. If what you really mean is that, for one particular election, one rounding method caused the results to agree with direct democracy and a different rounding method caused a different result, then say so, but for any rounding method one can find scenarios where it will differ from direct democracy and others will not. This is not an argument for one being correct and another not.
As for ALT0a: No. It did not have that effect. It had the effect that rounding a system of numbers caused one of the numbers to be rounded from 40.5 to 42, but that is not interesting, cause for alarm, or problematic. To spell out a simple example: suppose we are trying to round numbers to achieve minimum relative error, that the total number of seats is 48, and that the numbers we are trying to round are (1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,40.5). Then the obvious way to round it is (1,1,1,1,1,1,42). Anything else would assign one of the small numbers a number of seats far out of proportion. Your hook describes political grandstanding from the time but by cherry-picking a detail from the rounding is misleading about the actual effect of the bill.
You might just as well say that the current US electoral college rounds 0.9 to 3 (the proportional fraction of electoral college seats that should be held by Wyoming vs the seats it gets). Is that cause for alarm? Is that cause for saying that the highest averages method used in part to allocate these seats is incorrect? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. Eppstein: If the problem is the word "correct", I've removed the it from ALT1a. I agree it was sloppy phrasing on my part in the DYK, which I only included because I did not expect that hook to be used, and definitely not that it would be used without first being workshopped a bit. (This is my first DYK, so I'm a bit unfamiliar with the procedure.) However, I don't see the relevance of any of this to the newest version of the hook, given I've removed the word "correct" from it. Otherwise, when I say "correct", I'm only defining this to mean the results with the idealized procedure, using fractional apportionments, which does not introduce any rounding errors.
Direct democracy is wholly unrelated to this topic, and I don't understand why you keep bringing it up. If you mean a direct popular vote, then no, I'm not talking about the popular vote. My point is that A) who won the election depended on the specific rounding rule for the House (which is interesting); and B) all the rounding rules well-regarded by experts for this purpose (Webster, Huntington-Hill, some for Hamilton) produce the same winner, and this winner disagrees with the actual results of the election. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 15:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each state has a certain number of votes. Those votes go to the candidate who wins the most votes in that state (in this election, all states used a winner-take-all rule for choosing electors). In a House of size , that number of votes is equal to , where the brackets denote rounding by whatever apportionment method. I am saying that if you dropped the brackets, i.e. if every state's electoral college apportionment was equal to two senators plus its exactentitlement in the house, the result would be different. In addition, if the entitlement had been done using any common rounding procedure (Webster, Huntington-Hill, Hamilton), the election results would have been different. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I am saying that dropping the rounding and determining the result of an election by the exact unrounded vote tally is exactly the definition of direct democracy. Whether you divide all vote counts by the same quota (without rounding) or whether you leave them as integer numbers of voters, the result is identical. What about this is difficult to understand? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not use ALT1a at all, because it is misleading. All (unfixed) elections are decided by the choices of the voters and the voting system used for the election. All representative systems round, and all rounding systems produce rounding errors. ALT1a suggests to the reader, incorrectly, that the result of the 1876 election was somehow the wrong result, and that if only people had known how to perform arithmetic correctly then the outcome would have been different. It was the correct result, for the voting system chosen for that election, and the arithmetic was performed correctly. Get off this hobbyhorse of correctness and error. Leave 1876 politics behind. Find a different and unrelated hook for this article. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator brought this up in the WP Discord asking for input. For what it's worth, David Eppstein's commentary is accurate. It is not acceptable in Wikivoice to say that these were "rounding errors" (ALT1A) or that it was not "correct" (ALT1), and ALT0/0A are deeply misleading. A new hook should be offered. This was an unavoidable quirk of the system chosen, but as already stated, there is inherently going to be drift in any system attempting to lodge fractional pegs into integer holes. That's exactly the problem being solved. Any alternative system could have other "haha look this number rounded to this wrong number" issues as well. SnowFire (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quick edit to ward off an objection: there's two sense of "error". Of course there were rounding errors in the mathematical sense of the distance from the real number to the result, but there's also errors in the sense of "being wrong", which is how a standard reader will read hook 1A. But as discussed, no such error in that sense of the word was made. SnowFire (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's reasonable! I have no objections to tidying up the phrasing, and I can see how someone might misunderstand what I meant by "rounding errors". Do you have any suggestions for how to rephrase this more clearly? Do you think ALT1c looks good? Thanks! —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was an unavoidable quirk of the system chosen, but as already stated, there is inherently going to be drift in any system attempting to lodge fractional pegs into integer holes.
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here, though. Yes, there is unavoidable drift (although I'd note the largest remainder methods don't violate quota rule) and in this case, the method used by Congress had an unusual/unavoidable quirk (which eventually led them to reject it). This quirk is interesting, which is why I think it makes a good DYK. —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's better, but TSventon's concern remains. The 1876 election is just an unusually weird example to pick - sure, the apportionment system mattered, but so did the decision for electoral votes to include Senators (i.e. Nevada having 3 votes rather than 1 vote). So did voter suppression in the South (this & many elections until the 1960s, alas). So did the Compromise of 1877. You've picked an election which was so close that just about everything could be said to have affected the result. Moreover, it's not even clear that this was the fault of the "algorithm used to decide rounding" - it depends on what exactly was going on with the "supplemental apportionment" that the Balinksi & Young source describes.
Are there any non-1876 election related hooks to be had? If you really want to do one there, then I think we need some deep, ironclad sourcing from someone who both knows the politics AND the math behind it. So more than just passing mention or the half-page in Balinkski & Young. SnowFire (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a more detailed account of the 1876 allocation on pages 71 and 72 of a US Government report here. But I am still not keen on an 1876 hook. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree an 1876 source is not ideal. That said, if the supplemental apportionment was a true "fudge", then that wasn't the fault of any rounding method, that was just an exercise in raw power politics, which is a little off-topic from the article and thus not a great hook for a different reason. SnowFire (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
Source: "Motibai was the first native woman doctor to be trained on parallel lines to native men doctors" [13]..."The first indigenous woman physician to get training alongside male physicians was Moti Bai"[14]
ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[15].
... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
... that Mary Jane Patterson, descendant of previously enslaved mother, was the first African American woman to gain a BA degree, having taken a 'gentleman's course'?
Sources: 1. Bishir, Catherine (2018). "Patterson, Henry J. (1805-1886) and John E. (1804-1880)" North Carolina Architects and Builders: A Bibliographical Dictionary and
2. Blakemore, Erin (2017-05-23)' How the Daughter of a Slave Became the First African American to Earn a Bachelor's Degree.' Time
ALT1: ... that Mary Jane Patterson was the first Black principal of a famous high school in Washington DC? Source: Stewart, A (2013) First Class: The legacy of Dunbar, America's first Black Public School. Chicago. Ill: Lawrence Hill Books p 32
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Balance person (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article was promoted to Good Article within the last couple of days, is easily long enough, well written and copiously referenced. In my opinion the original hook, about being the first to get a BA degree, is best - very interesting indeed. The fact is cited immediately after it, in the lead introduction, to a page hosted on the university website. If I was being picky I'd say the info about achieving a BA degree should be included in the main body of the article too, because the lead intro is normally a summary of the main article. But the GA reviewers didn't have an issue with this, so I'm happy to say good to go to the next stage. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ... that Mary Jane Patterson, African American descendant of previously enslaved mother, gained a BA degree in 1862, having taken a 'gentleman's course'? proposed in this diff
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [16] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article new and long enough. Passes earwig, no close paraphrasing was found, and the hook seems interesting. QPQ done. Toadboy123 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Spaghettifier, Toadboy123, and AirshipJungleman29: I can't call the race for this hook just yet, unfortunately :) it looks like there are a few things we need to fix up. First, there are a couple of unsourced statements in the article, and some statements sourced to really-not-great publications like BuzzFeed and Distractify. Second, the operative text of the hook is taken from BuzzFeed's headline (I'm sure by accident!). Third, the background section is... uncomfortably big. Once it's pared back, I'm not sure if the article would survive a WP:NOPAGE challenge, but let's resolve those problems first and then a merge discussion is hopefully avoidable. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
John V. A. Fine (jr.), John Van Antwerp Fine. The Late Medieval Balkans A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest. University of Michigan Press. p. 384. ISBN 978-0-4720-8260-5. "...The Angevins retained Durazzo for a time, for in 1379 Joanna's new husband, Robert of Artois, is found issuing to Dubrovnik a charter pertaining to Durazzo. Karlo Thopia, who held the territory both north and south of the city, soon, probably in 1383, regained possession of Durazzo..."
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Arberian2444 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that Tropical Storm Chris(pictured) in July 2024 overflowed bodies of water in Ciudad Madero, Mexico, resulting in a crocodile sighting at a beach?
@IrishSurfer21 and OhHaiMark: looks like it was just one croc sighting at the beach? also, i know we can't make up graphics, but it's criminal that we couldn't have one with a croc in beach shorts with sunglasses and a piña colada with a straw... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Narutolovehinata5 The hook (initially under 100chs) got messed with by the page creator... who has seemingly been making a lot of dubious changes, including to the page itself. I'll really have to re-review this, even if it was fine beforehand... Iostn (talk) 19:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Crater Lake #2(pictured), on display at the Oregon State Capitol, was painted by Margaret Coe, the 8th great granddaughter of colonist Robert Coe? Source: Oregon Legislature, Robert Coe, Puritan, Olmstead, Henry King (2021). Olmsted genealogy, third-fourth supplement, 1923-28. Hassell Street Press. ISBN1013458974., "Curtis Claire Coe". Statesman Journal. October 29, 1996.
Reviewed: NA
Comment: I'm partial to Alt1. I'm a historian, so I imagine Alt0 is more interesting to a general audience.
Created by AnotherColonialHistorian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, but are we sure that the impressionist painting by Coe is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license? The source is offline, so it's difficult to check. I'm not sure if the Oregon Legislature and Coe would need to agree to jointly release the work in order for the license to be valid. Bremps...19:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
... that in 1941 Aleister Crowley issued a manifesto of human rights which included the controversial assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide?
Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
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5x expanded by Skyerise (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Yes. See [18] (p. 135), "Devenue la Haute - Côte - d'Ivoire , plus de la moitié du territoire burkinabè , où résident plus des deux tiers de sa population , est rattachée à la colonie ivoirienne ." --Soman (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The page cited also notes the years. Earwig gives 0% chance of copyright violation, which is very impressive. QPQ is confirmed. I do not feel that the hook is as compelling as could be. Is there an interesting reason why Burkina Faso did not exist between 1938 and 1947 and was rather absorbed into Upper Ivory Coast? simongraham (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, the name Burkina Faso was not in use until 1984 (thus the wording 'present-day Burkina Faso'). There was a French colony called Upper Volta, which later became the Republic of Upper Volta which later was renamed Burkina Faso. Upper Volta was, as indicated in the article, abolished in 1932 and most of its territory merged into Ivory Coast. These parts merged with Ivory Coast became the region of Upper Ivory Coast in 1938. Essentially, which is implied in the article, the French used Upper Volta/Upper Ivory Coast as a pool for recruitment of labour for their plantations in (lower) Ivory Coast. Upper Volta was reconstituted in 1947 due to the pressure of Mossi elites. --Soman (talk) 11:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sreekar Prasad during a virtual Q&A session on his YouTube channel
... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad won the National Award for Best Editing in his debut film Raakh in 1989 and was the first-ever recipient of the Special Jury Award for editing in 2009?
ALT2: ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad holds a record for editing films in 17 different languages and has won eight National Awards from five different Presidents between 1988 and 2010?
Comment The obvious problem is that your hooks don't link the nominated article. Next problem is that the nominated article should appear in bold font. Schwede6623:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the hooks still fall afoul of WP:EGG, when I click on the links, I would assume that they lead to the main article on A. Sreekar Prasad, not their filmography, maybe they need to be reworded.? Sohom (talk) 08:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
Reviewed:
Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section).
The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection.
The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Created by Kravk (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
^Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12. The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
^Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections(PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN9781925261271. The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
^Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN1790-3041. Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134. Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118. The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
... that Babydog(pictured), who is a "little rascal who looks like a brown watermelon that loves everybody" and loves chicken nuggets from Wendy's, is a fixture in West Virginia politics?
Given that the article was nominated late due to an AFD discussion, this will probably need to have an IAR exemption request at WT:DYK to run. For what it's worth I'd support an IAR just this once since I find the hook interesting and cute, but rules are rules. For next time, my suggestion would be that if you have an article that's been AFD'd, you should nominate it ASAP instead of waiting for the AFD to end, just to make sure it meets the 7-day requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Specific, friendly actionable advice: try balancing "Criticism" and "Defense", as the latter section is about four times longer than the former. The article seems like it's trying to bludgeon criticism to death. Bremps...16:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note to possible closers: I'm working on other nominations, so don't close this nom yet, if it is possible to find time to work on this page, then I will do it. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1996). Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-14833-1, p. xxi: "The bones of twenty-seven humans found on Masada are brought to burial in an official state ceremony."; pages 241-243: "The affair began in October 1963… Immediately, there were newspaper reports to the effect that the remains were probably of the fighters of Masada, and a state burial ceremony was called for. This issue was raised in March 1967, once again, by the same Shlomo Lorentz of the ultra-Orthodox party Agudat Israel. In a blazing speech in the Knesset he demanded that the remains of the skeletons found on Masada should be given a Jewish burial. Mr. Aharon Yadlin, then the minister of culture and education, pointed out that the Jewish identity of the skeletons had not been established and suggested passing the whole issue on to one of the Knesset’s committees. His suggestion was accepted. In fact, the Knesset’s Committee on Culture and Education held a discussion with Yadin on this particular issue in February and March of 1968… On March 12, 1969, Yigael Yadin told Haaretz that he was opposed to a public burial ceremony. He stated that the evidence of the identity of the skeletons was not conclusive enough. He also stated that he believed that the bones were those of the people of Masada but that he lacked definitive proof. In response to this, the spokesman for the Ministry of Religious Affairs stated the next day, also in Haaretz, that “the heroes of Masada came there from Jerusalem and fought the war of the holy city; therefore, it is only natural that their bones would find their final resting place on the Mount of Olives, which was a Jewish cemetery during the days of the Second Temple…. on July 7, 1969, the skeletons that had been uncovered by Yadin’s excavations about five years earlier were brought to burial in a full and formal military ceremony near Masada, at a place called “the hill of the defenders… An impressive array of dignitaries (including Menachem Begin, Yigael Yadin, and Rabbi Shlomo Goren) were present at the burial ceremonies."
I don't think this is that bad to deserve a cross, but you'll definitely want to add a cite to the first paragraph of Yadin's executions at minimum, and that's before interrogating any of the sources.--Launchballer14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Launchballer: I have added a cross-ref (it had been referenced at the end of the paragraph, but the paragraph was then split in to two). Re the IP's comments, the citation quote gives all the info about the funeral, and the rest of his book is about the myth. I guess the IP is referring to the latter question. I can bring some more quotes if helpful.
For context, all the sources in the article say essentially the same thing – there is only one known original source for this event, Josephus. The Israeli national myth version differs from that story in a number of significant ways. We can add some nuance to the words "is now known to be a myth" if that is helpful, but the underlying point is beyond doubt.
The wording that it "is now known to be a myth" is simply not supported by the source provided. Perhaps "believed by some to be a myth" or even better "described by one scholar as a myth" could be supported by the citation, but "is now known to be a myth" embellishes the source far beyond any justifiable limit. Alansohn (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: it looks like there was no objection to removing the tag, as the pinged editors declined to comment. My sense is that enough people have now read the article and sources, and have come to understand the topic and its context. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are POV issues with the article as it currently stands. I wrote a detailed, and yet partial explanation on the article's talk page.
Jubilee Bridge over the River Tay, looking downstream (south)
... that the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow construction of the Jubilee Bridge(pictured)?
Source: https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/a9 North of here, the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow the new road to run along the river valley.
All good except: (1) some portions of the text lack citations; (2) there is some copied text per Earwig's tool: [21]; and (3) the last sentence of the lead doesn't have a period. Please add cites, rewrite the copyvio in your own words, and fix the missing period. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to make the requested changes, but it seems like they have been done. Thank you Coldupnorth for this. To be fair, While I didn't start this article, I made some significant changes to it. I don't really edit on Sunday's as often as other days. JuniperChill (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JuniperChill, Coldupnorth, and Z1720: This sentence lacks a citation: "The project (and therefore the second bridge) was supposed to be complete in 2025, but delays to the project meant that the doubled bridge will be finished by 2032 instead with the project as a whole in 2035." Earwig still shows some coypvio. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw a comment which said in the source editor "see main A9 dualling project for verification", so does that actually count (ie, users can verify the information by reading the A9 dualling project article) or it has to be a proper inline citation? I also think 12% copyvio is alright because its only like 1-2 paragraphs out of, like 30. JuniperChill (talk) 22:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison died on 22 August 1915 of wounds sustained while trying to rescue an injured soldier from no mans land?
Source: I've cited it to a book that had more detail but you can get the outline readily from: >McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.
ALT1: ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison took up arms to snipe at Turkish soldiers in Gallipoli? Source: "Gillison used his well tried target-shooting skills to participate enthusiastically in sniping and counter sniping" from: Walter, John (28 February 2019). The Sniper Encyclopaedia: An A-Z Guide to World Sniping. Casemate Publishers. p. 236. ISBN978-1-78438-242-1.
Overall: Image is public domain, article is new and sourced. However, it seems there are possible plagiarism issues and I also do not find either hook that interesting to be honest, and not sure if ALT1 is particularly neutral. The fact about him being the only Australian chaplain to die there is perhaps more interesting. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Arcahaeoindris, can you review the paraphrasing please. I reworded "appointed a part-time chaplain to the Australian military" from the lead which in summarising the article I had returned to wording close to the source. The rest of the things flagged look to be proper names of organisations or quotes which I have attributed in the article. Can you please advise on the neutrality issue, is it a concern with WP:NPOV of the article? If with the hook then the requirement at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines only applies to living persons. That he took up arms whilst being a chaplain was certainly the most interesting fact in the article for me. Happy to look at alternatives though, I have drafted the one you recommended and a couple of others below - Dumelow (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that, on 22 August 1915, Andrew Gillison became the only Australian chaplain to be killed in the Gallipoli campaign? (source: "Gillison was the only chaplain killed at Gallipoli but all knew that they risked death constantly" source: Defence Force Journal. Department of Defence. 1989. p. 81.. NB: Defence Force Journal is published by the Australian Department of Defence, so is written from that point of view. I know of William Jospeh Finn, a British chaplain that was killed there.)
ALT4: ... that among the last words in the diary of chaplain Andrew Gillison before his death at Gallipoli were "I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again"? (Source " 'I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again'. His diary ends on that sad note" from: McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.. You can also read the diary itself at "Wallet 1 of 1 - Diary relating to the service of Chaplain Andrew Gillison, 1914 - 1915 Page 147/147". Australian War Memorial. Retrieved 16 July 2024. it is the penultimate sentence)
Sorry @Z1720: for keeping you. I find ALT1 and ALT5 the most interesting - maybe ALT5 would be my first choice. However, there is still possible copyvio detected, above 40% for three different sources, see here. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 12:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Arcahaeoindris, if you look at what is being flagged by the automated tool it is largely proper names and quotations I have attributed in the article. I am happy to look at any particular instances you think are problematic but you cannot just rely on the raw output of the tool - Dumelow (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the designated future head of state of Andorra, Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat, is a bishop who is a fluent speaker of six languages?
Source: languages ("Domina diverses llengües a més del català i el castellà. Parla italià, francès, anglès i portuguès. [He is fluent in several languages in addition to Catalan and Spanish. He speaks Italian, French, English and Portuguese.]) - bishop/co-prince (head of state)
Comment: True that he becomes head of state because of his position as a bishop, but I don't think that's too common that it wouldn't be interesting. Open to other ways of wording the hook, though.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 220 past nominations.
Comment (not a full review): According to A Simple Word Counter, the article only has around 1,200 characters of prose (the song's lyrics do not count per WP:DYKLEN, as they are text presumably copied from the public domain). As such, it falls short of the 1,500 characters needed for article eligibility in DYK. Leafy46 (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thank you, Leafy46: I had forgotten about the 1,200 characters of prose necessity and I appreciate the link to WP:DYKLEN. I will see if I can add more historical information in the meantime, and again I appreciate your comment. Evedawn99 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm sure there are some other hooks in here somewhere; however, I believe these are strong as is. If any suggestions arise, feel free to let me know.
Improved to Good Article status by Joeyquism (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Article was nominated within 7 days of reaching Good Article status. Article is more than 1,500 words in prose and sources are cited. Earwig picked up a possible copyright violation of 49.2%, but it seems to have come from a quote that was properly cited. Care should be taken to not use the entire quote. This is the nominator's first DYK, so a QPQ is not needed at this time. lullabying (talk) 05:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lullabying - I think the quote usage here is alright, as it's both properly cited and used to illustrate the grievances Paul had towards the media. If there is anything that you'd like me to address in particular (whether it be the quote or something else), please let me know so I may get to work :) joeyquism (talk) 05:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Freshly installed as the head of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, the first position of its kind in the world, Colonel Sukharevsky is shaping history once again." Vadym Sukharevsky, the man in charge of Ukraine’s drones
Comment: I have asked on the Ukrainian article for a better cite for the family info. As a native English speaker I cleaned up this translation from the Ukrainian article but please let me know if anything else is needed.
Created by Chidgk1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.
I don't think this counts as a full review, but this nomination will not pass. The article is full of WP:PROSELINE, which is highly discouraged. The information about his family is inherently unverifiable to anyone who isn't you. How would readers check sources? I want to see this nomination go through, but that won't be possible without restructuring the article to remove the proseline and the family information. Bremps...04:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for slow reply - have been up in hills for a week and just got back a couple of hours ago. Have asked on talk page of Ukrainian article if they can find a better cite for the family details than the long video which is there now. Will fix proseline. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It won't be me for a while as I review oldest first. I would suggest taking the ref out of the infobox and expanding/moving the Family single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPH, although these aren't DYK issues. Full review needed.--Launchballer09:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for quick reply but I don’t understand why it is wrong to have a ref in an infobox. Re expanding I will leave it for a little while in the hope someone else might expand, but feel free to press me if they have not done so in a reasonable time. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant policy is MOS:INFOBOXREF, which I'm surprised to find says that they're acceptable in some cases. I would argue that both of the facts should be included in the main body.--Launchballer09:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is honestly not very interesting (it was not unusual at all for European artists to study elsewhere in Europe at the time, or even now). Suggesting a preliminary alternate below instead:
ALT1 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera or a violin sonata?
ALT3 ... that a symphony by 18th-century composer Maxim Berezovsky was only performed publicly for the first time in 2003? (this is not currently directly stated in the article, I'm only proposing this wording for brainstorming purposes)
ALT4 ... that according to conductor Kirill Karabits, both Russians and Ukrainians have equal claims to the legacy of composer Maxim Berezovsky?
ALT5 ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, much of Maxim Berezovsky's life is unknown for certain?
ALT5a ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, little is known for certain about Maxim Berezovsky?
ALT6 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music? (currently only mentioned, uncited, in the lede and thus would require a source)
I'm not going to review the article, but I've read it and I've noticed that the tone of the article, particularly in the Works section, may be too laudatory in Wikipedia's voice, and that might need to be resolved. Asking from help from either 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 in copyediting the article and perhaps fixing the article concerns, as well as further suggestions on hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the hook suggestions. Do you realise that the article (which is not by me) just passed a GA review? ... was written by an editor who brought composers to FA status, for example Artemy Vedel? I nominated because the author would not do DYK (which I can understand). I was dead tired when I nominated, so grabbed the first idea that hit me as unusual to not miss the deadline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT1 best of the suggestions, but think it should be "and" between symphony and violin sonata, because it's thought for both.
ALT1a ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera and a violin sonata?
Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for inviting me to suggest an ALT for this DYK nom. However, since I'm neither the one who improved the article to GA nor the nominator, I think it would be poor form for me to step on the toes of other editors. If this nomination continues to be at an impasse, though, please let me know and I'll do what I can. What I will mention is that the bit of copy-editing I did revealed some issues that ought to be resolved, especially in a GA article. A few parts raise concerns about WP:SYNTH, for example. An early instance occurs at the the conclusion of the first paragraph in the "Biography" section. Putting aside for the moment that the phrase "victim of the regime" is loaded terminology that should be avoided per MOS:LABEL, WP:IMPARTIAL, and WP:EPSTYLE, I discovered upon reading the cited source (which doesn't include the page number; it's 25) that it doesn't confirm the statement in the article. (Full disclosure: I'm proficient in Russian, but know zero Ukrainian. Even so, the languages are similar enough that I can generally grasp the meaning of Ukrainian; the difference to my eyes and ears being comparable to that between Spanish and Portuguese.) According to Shumilina, surviving evidence "disproves the idea that Berezovsky's lack of work and financial difficulties caused his suicide". She reaffirms this in the final paragraph of page 27: "An untimely death (not the result of suicide!) interrupted his creative work" ("Передчасна смерть (не внаслідок самогубства!) перервала його творчість"). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked at the article again and fixed anything that I thought needed fixing. I don't think there's anything left to do other than possibly copyedit; I did my best to copyedit as the GA reviewer but I recognize that I missed some parts.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5:: I'm bringing up the following because you asked, but let me state once more that I won't be contributing heavily to this article, aside from minor touch-ups. Among other things, there is a bit of a slant to the article. The "Sacred music" sub-section, for example, potentially misleads the reader into thinking that Berezovsky was chiefly or even solely a phenomenon of Ukrainian culture. His influence on Russian music, which for a time must've also been considerable, is never discussed. (It's worth noting that in Berezovsky's time, Russian and Ukrainian cultures were more blurrier and mutually porous concepts than today.) Some aspects are left unexplained as well. Because losses of manuscripts and tangible evidence of his life are recurring themes in this article, it would seem to imply that at some point Berezovsky's legacy experienced a decline into obscurity; a 1947 article by Vera Vasina-Grossman [ru] in Sovyetskaya Muzyka confirms this to be the case. (This is important, because the magazine was not only the preeminent musical academic journal in the RSFSR, but in all of the USSR, including the Ukrainian SSR.) After that, Berezovsky's name is mentioned a few more times in the magazine. In the 1960s, his life and work came to be recognized outside of musicological circles thanks to a book about the composer Josef Mysliveček by Marietta Shaginyan. She mentioned Berezovsky therein, lamenting the fact that his music was widely unknown at the time. This seems to have been the catalyst for a modest revival. By the 1980s, articles and studies on his music increase significantly; there were some first recordings and performances as well. None of this reception history is mentioned in this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24: Thanks for the direction to Vasina-Grossman's article; I've found it and I will add it as a source into the article. I'll also look to see if I can't find something more recent analyzing his contributions to Russian music.Jaguarnik (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, if I found the correct article (Забытая повесть о русском музыканте, Forgotten Tale of a Russian Musician, Vera Vasina-Grossman, 1947]) then this article is almost useless for analyzing Berezovsky's legacy in Russia, because the great majority of it is devoted to analyzing a fictional tale of his life. Still, I'll try to find something about his contributions to Russian music. Either way, I don't think adding his influence in Russian music is necessary for the DYK hooks, but it is something that future editors can work on.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I don't think these issues call the GA itself into question. I think the reviewer did a great job and they also helped to further polish up this article. It was a bit of a mess last year; the work done to get it to this point has been commendable. @Jaguarnik: That is the article, yes, but my point was that it acknowledged Berezovsky's decline into obscurity, which is not mentioned by this article. Rumors and all, it may have been the first serious article on Berezovsky in decades, if not longer; it seems to have served as a starting point for the revival of interest in his music. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see now, my apologies if I was rude. The article was helpful in that it led me to find another article in Sovetskaya Muzyka that also wrote about Berezovsky, along with an article from 2013; I added those into the article.Jaguarnik (talk) 07:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing most of the neutrality issues were fixed before I got here, however there is one phrase beginning "He is considered" within the Sacred music section that needs attribution.--Launchballer13:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that cinematographer Alfredo Gandolfi also had a career as a singer which included more than 300 performances at the Metropolitan Opera?
Source: Vazzana, Eugene Michael (2001). "Gandolfi, Alfredo E., singer/cameraman". Silent Film Necrology. McFarland & Company. p. 187. ISBN9780786410590. - for duo career as singer and cameraman
Not a review, but the hook could draw more attention with careful omission. How about... ALT1: ... the Filipino government tried forcing two kidnapped activists to confess to being rebels at a press conference, but they had other plans? Bremps...20:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Olympic rugby sevens player Joseva Talacolo only started playing the sport as a way to support his family?
Source: The Fiji Times ("Joseva Talacolo has only one reason for playing rugby – his family. Growing up in the interior of Namosi at his Naqarawai Village, Talacolo saw the hardships his parents endured and decided to change his fate.")
BeanieFan11, since we are so behind in reviews that the Nominations page isn't fully transcluding, noting that your QPQ should be done by 9 August, seven days after nomination, with a stretch date to 12 August, seven days from now. Please be sure to get it done by then. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BeanieFan11, since we are so behind in reviews that the Nominations page isn't fully transcluding, noting that your QPQ should be done by 9 August, seven days after nomination, with a stretch date to 12 August, seven days from now. Please be sure to get it done by then. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article notes: "Aiello received about 60 rejection letters from East Coast book agents before he decided to pitch "The Deceivers" directly to small publishers. One of them, Creative Arts Book Co. of Berkeley, Calif., liked his 246-page manuscript and gave Aiello a one-book contract. The novel is scheduled for release later this month in soft cover for $14.95."
Comment: this is my second DYK nomination. i learned from the mistakes I made the first time, made sure to cite all important claims in the article, waited until the article was properly evaluated to submit the DYK, and will be active in fixing any issues that may arise.
Moved to mainspace by Jeschaton (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: appeared on the Main page as RD, but still eligible. I'm open to hooks, but this tries to inform that sang title roles (rare for a baritone!), had a repertoire from Monteverdi to contemporary, portrayed mythical figures and kings, had a close connection not only to the Polish most important stage but also to the Spanish second most important stage. - Had no article, imagine!
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2112 past nominations.
Thank you for ALT1 and 2, Storye book, but please next round, don't place above my signature. I think "musician" is way too general, - could even be a pop guitarist, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry, I've moved them downstairs. Of course "musician" is rubbish, but it's for the philistines, who will otherwise delete stuff. OK, here they are corrected, in case this nom gets a reviewer who is cool with opera.
... that in the 19th century, after becoming a major religious leader of the Upper Skagit, a man named sƛ̕abəbtikəd united the tribes and established himself as their sole leader?
Source: 1. "One who attended the treaty council but did not sign it was the prophet-cultist Slaybebtkud, who came from east of the Cascade Mountains to join the Skagits. After the treaty, he exerted great authority by uniting about ten extended and autonomous village bands of the upper Skagit River and its tributaries" (Ruby et al. 2010, p.361).
2. "sƛ̕abəbtikəd became a famous innovator, introducing a new religion and a system of formal, centralized government among the Upper Skagit. As a self-selected missionary, he had a big wooden house at saxipəp...Under his leadership, this house became a "church" during the summer months...The concentation of authority in the hands of a single individual was basic in this cult" (Collins 1974, p.34).
Reviewed:
Comment: Alternatively, his name has been rendered as Slaybebtikud or Stababutkin in English, if that is easier to read (or to save on characters).
5x expanded by PersusjCP (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
New enough (expanded July 25), long enough (2900 B). Looks very well-cited, except for one paragraph from before your expansion. PersusjCP, the paragraph starting with "The Tribe owns several businesses..." should either have a source or be removed. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)16:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article new enough and long enough. Article writer should be tagged in nomination. Article well cited and sources are reliable, no close paraphrasing identified, with specific name groups/tachnical phrases noted and ignored. Hook verified and cited in article. QPQ done.--Kevmin§19:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 1253 Henry III of England ordered that his white bear(sculpture pictured) be permitted to swim and hunt in the Thames?
Source: "they also had to suffer the indignity of one of Henry’s off-hand sets of instructions when he decided that the bear should be capable of providing for itself. The sheriffs were told to create a stout muzzle and chain so that the animal’s Norwegian handler could control the bear when leading him out of the tower down to the River Thames. Also, a long rope to control the bear when he was in the water having a wash and fishing for himself." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024.; the date of Henry's order is given in Stow, John (1733). A Survey of the Cities of London and Westminster, Borough of Southwark, and Parts Adjacent. T. Read. pp. 69–70.
ALT1: ... that in 1252 Henry III of England was gifted a white bear(sculpture pictured) by Haakon IV of Norway? Source: "Among the many marvels the visitor to London could experience in the 1250s was the “pale” or “white” bear presented to Henry III by King Haakon of Norway." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024. and "the lions were joined by a polar bear in 1252" from: "The Tower of London Menagerie". Historic Royal Palaces. Retrieved 20 July 2024.
Article was nominated 5 days after creation, so it passes the newness check.
Article is exceeds 1,500 bytes, so it passes the minimum length check.
Sources look reliable. I see that most of them were authored by people who specialize in history, which I presume are qualified and reputable enough for this subject. Earwig shows no obvious plagiarism.
Background section: I see that ref [1] doesn't have an online link provided. I did a quick search on Google and found this PDF for that ref. I think it's worth adding that PDF's URL to ref [1]. Ref [2] covers most of the content in that section, although I think it should be put next to the second sentence since it doesn't mention anything about 1834.
Hook only has one link, so the presentability rule does not apply here.
Hook is adequately cited with sources used in the article.
Both hooks are interesting. I personally prefer the main hook.
Images are public domain and are recognizable at low resolution. Captions are descriptive and succinct.
QPQ has been done by nom.
There's a few grammatically unclear sentences I would like to point out. Namely:
From then until 1834 animals were kept in the menageries continuously until 1834 - repetition of 1834.
Henry was shocked by the expense of keeping the bear so [he] delegated its upkeep to... - add "he"?
The sheriffs['] allowance of four sous a day - add a possessive apostrophe and wikilink "sous" for the layperson like me?
Other than some issues I've pointed out, the nomination is looking good! Since I'm a new reviewer, I'll have to request a second opinion from another reviewer. Nrco0e(talk • contribs)19:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nrco0e, thanks for the review and sorry for delay in getting back to you, I have been away. Good work finding that source online, I've added it and hopefully addressed your other points by improvements to the article - Dumelow (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Note: this is relying on Google's translation of the French statement "Comecei a praticar judo desde o berço". Requesting a French speaker review this just to make sure it is an accurate translation.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 226 past nominations.
There is a very nice image of the font on Commons to which this could be linked, but I don't know how to place it here without messing the page up. Another editor kindly helped out. KJP1 (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I sort of take the point but, frankly, there is little of interest about the church except the intended font sale. I think, with the link, it is likely to be understood by most readers? KJP1 (talk) 09:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue isn't necessarily the hook fact itself but rather the wording's clarity. Readers might not necessarily get what "font" means in this case since when people think of fonts they usually think of written fonts. Maybe:
That's very helpful, and I'm fine with expanding font to "church's baptismal font". As for WP:DYKBLP, he did try to sell it, and it did become a Cause célèbre, albeit in the rather rarefied world of Ecclesiastical law. But, as you say, we can see what the reviewer says. KJP1 (talk) 11:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue here per DYKBLP is if it is unduly highlighting something negative about a living person. The article doesn't state if Price is still alive or not, but erring on the side of caution I was assuming that he was. Some of our regulars take DYKBLP very seriously and noms have been pulled or even rejected over it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PCN02WPS: I'll do some expansion later, so length shouldn't be an issue. I agree that the hooks aren't that good, so what about something like this: ALT2: " ... that unlike its 2D monochrome predecessor, Shapez 2 features 3D conveyer belts in space?" The source for ALT2 is the same Hardcore Gamer article. Alternatively, I could add the information in ALT1 to the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs)14:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new. At 1671 characters it just passes the 1500 minimum, although I'm unsure full start class is warranted. The sources will need access-dates.I am unsure about the first couple of sentences, the source does not explicitly say the childhood was spent in Triunfo de la Cruz, and at any rate it does say he left to Tegucigalpa at 13 so he did some growing up there too. "hermanos" also does not mean only brothers, it is used for the group of both genders. Not a DYKcrit, but the fourth sentence should really spell out COH, and there is a disconnect between the lead sentence and the body regarding flag bearer or co-flag bearer. Regarding "bronze medal at the cadet world championships in Hungary", the source says he was in the cadet category, not that cadet was the name of the tournament (after a bit of research, probably the World Junior Wrestling Championships already mentioned in the next paragraph, in the 15-17 category).Haven't checked the other paragraphs, but moving onto the hook, I can't verify the 2015 portion from the source, may be missing it although it appears correct. That said it's not the most interesting hook, is there anything other than an athlete winning medals in the sources? QPQ needed. CMD (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Nan Oo Pagoda is classified as a double encased stupa as it envelopes a smaller stupa?
Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022) is an academic paper. See page 3 for double and triple encased types. See page 9 for the Nan Oo stupa encasing a smaller stupa.
ALT1: ... that the Nan Oo Pagoda in Myinsaing was built by enveloping an earlier stupa? Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022: 9) and (Tein Taman 2020)
Other problems: - I think the hook has an issue with phrasing. Like, didn't Jeong and Nam win gold medals? Saying they "helped South Korea win" kinda seems to downplay their own achievements. I also think there are other potential alternative hooks in these articles, like how young they were when they started archery, or how their team set an Olympic record.
QPQ: - Not done Overall: The nomination still needs to complete two QPQs and I think the hook needs to be rewritten slightly, and maybe some alternate hooks provided. Ping me when these issues have been seen to and I'd be happy to take another look. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC) Grnrchst (talk) 10:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)
Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.
Converted from a redirect by Nrco0e (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Blair Colony was once one of the highest concentrations of African Americans in South Dakota? Source: Hascall, Randy (June 1, 2003). "The Last Descendant". Argus Leader. Rural Pierre. p. 4A. Retrieved July 29, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
@Chomik: can you pick a hook that's more definitive? "Likely" sounds ambiguous and usually requires attribution.VR(Please ping on reply)14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vice regent: most sources agree that this was the Wagner Group's biggest loss in Mali ([23][24][25]) but I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to remove the word "likely" since there's no confirmed death toll. If not, I could change the hook to be about Ukraine's involvement. Chomik! (talk?) 14:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR(Please ping on reply)16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks good as it is. I would prefer "that Ukraine said it provided Tuareg rebels with assistance in their successful ambush of Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?" As I said on talk this was more of an ambush. But I think your alt is fine too.VR(Please ping on reply)22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sachi Narashima came up with the idea for the mangaCosmetic Playlover after her friend, who worked as a beauty consultant, mentioned to her that there were male beauty consultants?
... that at the 2024 Olympics, unranked North Korean table tennis pair Ri Jong-sik and Kim Kum-yong(pictured) defeated the defending champions and went on to win the silver medal?
Source: YNA ("북한의 리정식-김금용 조(랭킹없음)는 27일 프랑스 파리의 사우스 파리 아레나 4에서 열린 파리 올림픽 탁구 혼합복식 16강전에서 일본의 하리모토 도모카즈-하야타 히나 조(2위)를 4-1(11-5 7-11 11-4 15-13 12-10)로 물리쳤다." [North Korea's Ri Jeong-sik and Kim Geum-yong (no ranking) defeated Japan's Tomokazu Harimoto and Hina Hayata (second) 4-1 in the Paris Olympics table tennis mixed doubles round of 16 match held at South Paris Arena 4 in Paris, France on the 27th. 11-5 7-11 11-4 15-13 12-10).]) / The Japan Times ("Japan's world No. 2 table tennis mixed doubles team, Hina Hayata and Tomokazu Harimoto, was upset by North Korea's Ri Jong Sik and Kim Kum Yong 4-1 in the first round at the Paris Olympics, losing the chance to retain the country's gold medal.") / Agence France-Presse via Barron's ("North Korea said they could learn from China after winning their first Olympic medal in eight years on Tuesday in Paris, settling for silver after a mixed-doubles defeat to the table tennis superpower.")
Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: both articles created 29 July; sources look to be reliable enough (AGF on the Korean-language ones); articles are both cited inline throughout and well written; I didn't spot any overly close paraphrasing form the English language sources, AGF on the Korean ones; QPQs are pending; hook fact is interesting and mentioned in both articles. My only query is if it is right to refer to their Japanese opponents as "defending champions", Japan won it the last time round but with a different team. Perhaps "ranked second in the world" is better? I am not familiar with the sport so maybe the terminology is OK as it is? There might also be a length issue, I think the paragraph common to both articles can only count towards the length of one. Can one article be expanded a bit to compensate? - Dumelow (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that although sport shooterBan Hyo-jin attended Olympic trials "just to gain some competition experience", she qualified for the Olympics and went on to win a gold medal?
Source: YNA ("Ban, now 16, entered the Olympic trials just to gain some competition experience. Her initial objective was to compete against some veteran shooters this year and then push for a spot on the national team for the 2025 season. But Ban found herself in the lead after three out of five rounds in the trials. Suddenly, an Olympic spot was within grasp.") / Straits Times ("Compatriot Huang Yuting, however, was denied the same feat by South Korean Ban Hyo-jin, who won the women's competition by beating the Chinese via a shoot-off. Ban also become the youngest female Olympic shooting champion at 16 and the teenaged trio's sparkling form in Paris offered a glimpse into the future of rifle shooting.")
Overall: Mostly good. Just need a source for the statement York9 finished sixth in the CPL's spring season and third in the fall season, ending the year third in the overall table.BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election
Source: "The Green MP was still pinching herself today after claiming her party's second-ever electorate seat and the first without a major party endorsement." link
Reviewed:
Created by TheLoyalOrder (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Reviewing this. On first look, the "Declined" section has to have a ref. I suppose the "Declared" section does not need a separate ref as those are the same people in the "Results" section but other people may think otherwise. In the "Background" section, the background ref has to have a ref on electoral system. Full review to come later. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/06/winslow-homers-early-days "The 1853 Homer House, an Italianate mansion that dominates a hill just above Belmont town center, is open for tours. ... Guided tours highlight the largely untouched original interior architecture, along with the life and early work of the couple’s nephew, Winslow Homer. ... He and his family lived nearby, but in a modest farmhouse (still standing and privately owned)..."
Comment: Open to synonyms for "historic": "consequential"? "significant"? Our tried and true "notable"? Each would work, but have slightly different alternative meanings.
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
On the article talk page, User:TSventon points out that the article doesn't explicitly back the hook, by which I believe they mean that it doesn't explicitly say "Winslow Homer made Homer House historic". That is true, the sources mostly talk about the house by talking about it in the context of the life of the artist, which I think is the same thing, but if the reviewer disagrees, we can say:
Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69; Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT1: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of Jewish challah bread, which may have traveled with Jews expelled from Spain and influenced Ashkenazi cuisine? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT2: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of mofletta, a pancake dish still enjoyed by SephardicMoroccan Jews during Mimouna, a post-Passover celebration? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69
Reviewed:
5x expanded by PeleYoetz (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
I think the word medieval in "medieval Andalusian" is not redundant at all. The term Andalusians also refers to the modern inhabitants of the Spanish autnomous community of Andalusia, distinct from the usage of the term to refer to medieval Al-Andalus in alt1 and alt2. And regarding Medieval Spain, I'm changing it to Islamic Spain to avoid confusion. PeleYoetz (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree, it comes off as unduly promoting one side without covering the opposing perspective. Although it is usually not be possible to give all context in a dyk, one should at least attempt not to be one-sided. Part of the problem is that the article never really covers the central reason for the protests. It does cover disputes about the status of LGBT Palestinians but not the overall war/genocide that is generating the protest to begin with. (t · c) buidhe05:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. I put in an excerpt template to the war protest article and used that to populate a background. There might be a better way to include the context of what folks are protesting. Much of the news coverage for queers for palestine remains focused on the spectacle instead of actual purpose and intent, unfortunately, which makes it hard to include motives without going to broader protests. Feel free to suggest/do something different! Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the 1990 Serbian general election elected only two women to the National Assembly of Serbia? Source: Stokić, Ljubiša B. (1994). Demokratija i osvajanje vlasti: izbori u Srbiji 1990 [Democracy and the conquest of power: the elections in Serbia in 1990] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Zenit. p. 624. ISBN86-81987-06-2.
ALT1: ... that in the 1990 Serbian general election the Socialist Party of Serbia won 78% of seats despite only winning 48% of the popular vote? Source: Martinov, Zlatoje (2000). U podnožju demokratskih propileja: Izbori u Srbiji, 1990–2000 [At the pedestal of the democratic propylaea: Elections in Serbia, 1990–2000] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Republika. p. 26. OCLC50410508.
Comment: The only issue that might pop up in this DYK nomination is the timespan of the expansion. I began expanding the article on 8 July when it was at 22k. Now, on 30 July, the article is at 177k. The article met the 5x criteria on 15 July, when it reached 112k, but was not finished. If this is really strict, I won't have any problems with the DYK being rejected now, considering that the article is up for GAN so I'll re-nominate it for DYK once it passes the GA review sometime in the future.
5x expanded by Vacant0 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
I know many Amish families famously disavow all modern forms of technology (though as with any religion there is internal diversity), so there is potential here. However, some tweaking can be done, removing a couple of unnecessary information. Do we need to specify the title of the song, or the platform where the dance went viral? Wrt the article itself, I have some concerns - what makes neonmusic.com, Resident Advisor, and Whynow RS? Furthermore, the article uses two student newspapers. Once these are addressed, I will be glad to look at the hook again. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise]05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Launchballer07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise]08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree that existence of other coverage has any bearing on whether the student publications should be included. For what they're being used for, i.e. attributed opinion, they're fine. You're right that there is lots of extra coverage of Brat, however Apple wasn't released as a single until very recently and all of the critical reception predates the song going viral, so there's much less of it than you'd think. Surprisingly few critics mentioned it as a highlight. (Much of the coverage went on some of the tracks that actually were singles; most of the hits for ""charli xcx" brat review apple" include phrases like "Apple Music" and "Fiona Apple".) I've added one more WP:EXPERTSPS which I missed when I looked the first time. (You'd need a second reviewer for ALT0b as neither of my hooks mention when the track was released, and I'm tempted to ask them about this as well.)--Launchballer08:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Olympic taekwondo practitioner Yahya Al Ghotany learned the sport "by chance" at a refugee camp?
Source: The Korea Times ("he and his family have been sheltering in the Azraq refugee camp ... It was there where he, the first in a family of seven children, discovered taekwondo 'by chance.' His friend at the camp told him about the taekwondo course offered by the Taekwondo Humanitarian Foundation (THF) in 2016. That is how he got into the sport, without knowing it would completely change his life.")
QPQ: - pending Overall: review ongoing; Given that from the sources you know his age at a point in time, you may want to use the template that allows you to identify his birth year range (and age range I believe) within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:EDD1:6EEC:9F54:77B2 (talk) 7:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
@BeanieFan11: This nomination has been open for more than a week and a QPQ has not been supplied. The review indicated that a QPQ was necessary, and I sent a ping two days ago; the editor has been editing on other pages but has not supplied the QPQ. Per WP:QPQ, I am marking this nomination for closure. Z1720 (talk) 04:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Aharon Openheimer, Rebuilding the Jewish Community in the Galilee, in Z. Baras, S. Safrai, M. Stern, Y. Tsafrir (editors), Eretz Israel from the destruction of the Second Temple to the Muslim Conquest, volume one, Jerusalem : Yad Ben Zvi, 1982, ISBN 9652170062 (Hebrew), pages 75-92.
Ah yes, I never thought about reading that article. It's very useful for readers. I have heard of roads.org.uk but never thought about them publishing a ZEZ article. JuniperChill (talk) 11:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Apologies for being a day late. Hoping for a one-day extension as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines: The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 228 past nominations.
... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu made the main characters realize they were not blood-related siblings early in the story so that she could focus on their romance?
... that Bangué, the smallest island of the Bazaruto Archipelago, was formed due to the archipelago itself?
Source: Everett, B. I.; Van der Elst, R. P.; Schleyer, M. H., eds. "Geomorphology and the Terrestrial and Oceanographic Setting". in Everett, B. I.; Van der Elst, R. P.; Schleyer, M. H., eds. (2008). A Natural History of the Bazaruto Archipelago, Mozambique (PDF). Durban: South African Association for Marine Biological Research. ISBN 9780869890820.
Other problems: - I would recommend the hook be reworded since it is a bit confusing in my view.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: New enough, long enough, plagiarism free, QPQ is completed. I believe that the hook is interesting, but could use a reword. I am presuming that the source for the hook is from the section pertaining to the wave action causing the island to emerge? I'm spitballing here, but "arisen through wave action" could possibly be something interesting to be used as a hook. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Republic Drug Store in right half of Slagle Building
... that the Republic Drug Store (building pictured) was formed from the consolidation of an estate and its competition?
Source: (REF 2) Washington State Dept. of Archaeology & Historic Preservation "Slagle house" article 4th & 5th Paragraphs. "In 1904 he was sent to Republic ... to liquidate a drugstore that made up part of an estate"
ALT1: ... that the Republic Drug Store (building pictured) was thought to be Washington state's oldest continually family run drugstore in 2003? Source: Source: Craig, J. (June 24, 2003). "Forecast calls for keen observer". The Spokesman-Review. Vol. 121, no. 14. p. B6. "...its believed to be the oldest drugstore in continuous family ownership in Washington..."
Comment: While the "Slagle house" article is in wordpress, it was published by an official part of the Washington State government, the Department of Archaeology & Historic Preservation and thus fulfils notability criteria. The information is also found in the Washington SP Slagle, Jesse W. & Elizabeth, House article of the National Register of Historic Places; Sect 8 page 3
Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 356 past nominations.
ALT4: ... that storm chaser Reed Timmer frequently drives more than 50,000 miles (80,000 km) a year to intercept severe thunderstorms? Source: Men’s Journal
ALT7: ... that storm chaser Reed Timmer has a dog named Gizmo accompany him often on storm chases? Source: AccuWeather
ALT8: ... that storm chaser Reed Timmer recalled seeing "cows flying through the air" while chasing a tornado in Wyoming in 2018? Source: AccuWeather
ALT9: ... that while chasing an EF2 tornado in Nebraska, storm chaser Reed Timmer and a photographer suffered lacerations after a window blew out inside the vehicle they were in? Source: MLive, AccuWeather
Comment only: the hook appears to be saying that the ferry saw the fire. Surely, you mean that someone aboard the ferry saw the fire? Schwede6602:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?
Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
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Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.
Created by Jacobolus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that the UDT and Fretilin political parties of Portuguese Timor fought a civil war in the same year they had earlier formed a unified political coalition? Source: see year 1975
... that German national Rico Krieger was likely forced by the KGB to lie in a state-televised plead titled "Confession of a German terrorist"? (Source)
Source: [29]Suh explores how anxieties about the MVA kit's capacity to induce abortion, which is illegal in Senegal, have constrained its integration into routine care. Dubbed the "PAC pioneer of West Africa," Senegal is celebrated for having been among the first countries to decentralize post-abortion care from large urban hospitals to smaller facilities in rural areas.
ALT1: ... that comedian Allison Reesecame out to her parents through a group text message? Source: Rodriguez, Alexander (2023-11-19). "Allison Reese is a Comedic Star on the Rise". Metrosource. ISSN1529-935X. Retrieved 2024-08-04. So, I just sent a group text. I was just like, "Hey, think I'm gay. That cool?" Several minutes went by and I was like, oh God. And my dad finally responded, "Yep, you're good." And that's truly it. And my mom called and was like, "Hey, I know you're doing comedy. Is that like a joke?" I was like, no, it's real. And she's like, "Okay!"
Source: Dutton, Telford Paul; Zolho, Roberto (1990). Conservation Master Plan for the Sustained Development of the Bazaruto Archipelago (PDF) (Report). WWF. p. 3
ALT1: ... that some sand dunes on Bazaruto Island reach a height of 90 m (300 ft)? Source: Cooper, J. Andrew G.; Pilkey, Orrin H. (2002). "The Barrier Islands of Southern Mozambique". Journal of Coastal Research. 36:. doi:10.2112/1551-5036-36.sp1.164. p. 171
ALT2: ... that thousands of refugees fled to Bazaruto Island during the Mozambican Civil War? Source: Pilkey, Orrin H.; Fraser, Mary Edna (2003). A Celebration of the World's Barrier Islands p. 176
... that scholar, translator, Languages Commissioner, and first justice of the peace in Nunavut Alexina Kublu is her grandmother's father and her daughter's son?
appointed the first justice of the peace in Nunavut."] Saladin d'Anglure, Bernard; Frost, Peter; Lévi-Strauss, Claude (2018). Inuit stories of being and rebirth: gender, shamanism, and the third sex (PDF). Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: University of Manitoba Press. ISBN 978-0-88755-830-6. Retrieved 7 August 2024. Page 324.
Comment: This is a complicated one, and a meaty article at that. I thank any reviewer well for their time and patience. This DYK is tied in with the concept of atiq or atiapik, this article by the Inuit Art Foundation explains the concept quite well.
To explain, as in the article, Inuit namesakes traditionally become the person they are named after. Kublu is named after her grandmother's stepfather and thus became the elder Kublu. Her daughter is named after her father, and thus Kublu's daughter is her father.
Created by Ornithoptera (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 37 past nominations.
... that The Temple of Death is the only English-language academic book about the cult the Order of the Solar Temple? Source: stated in Violence and New Religious Movements page 143. note, this source is from 2011, however it is still true. It's the only book on them in English at all actually but Bogdan specifies "academic" so i must go with that
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Improved to Good Article status by PARAKANYAA (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: My fifth nomination and I need a QPQ for the first time. Luckily, I did that a few months ago. Also, my first GA article, though I didn't make that
Improved to Good Article status by JuniperChill (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
What's surprising or interesting about this hook? "Infrastructure project delayed" is not surprising anywhere in the world, especially an Anglophone country. (t · c) buidhe04:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully this is more interesting, but idk if the wording is the best.
... that during the Tunisian campaign in WWII, crews carried an AMES Type 6 radar set across a swamp to allow them to spy on Luftwaffe aircraft running supplies into Tunis? Source: RAF 2023
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Created by Maury Markowitz (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 200 past nominations.
Source: Stadt Zürich, Amt für Städtebau (June 2014), "Liebfrauen", Katholische Kirchen der Stadt Zürich. Bestandesverzeichnis Denkmalpflege der Stadt Zürich [Catholic Churches in the City of Zurich: Inventory of Monument Preservation in the City of Zurich] (PDF) (in German), pp. 72–74. To quote: "Der Landkauf an der Weinbergstrasse 1891 ist indirekt verknüpft mit der Frage nach dem Standort des neuen Landesmuseums. Für einen Entscheid zugunsten von Zürich müssen die katholischen Stände gewonnen werden: das Angebot ist, den Kauf des gewünschten Grundstücks zu ermöglichen."
ALT2: ... that the Bergdorf Goodman Building's architecture was intended to evoke the design of the Cornelius Vanderbilt II House, which it replaced? Source: "Real Estate in City and Suburbs: $5,000,000 Vanderbilt Corner Lease Bergdorf & Goodman Co. Rents Building Planned for Fifth Ave. and 58th St. Part of Chateau Site". New York Herald Tribune. March 12, 1927. p. 24.
ALT3: ... that Bergdorf Goodman originally did not want its store to become a New York City landmark because of concerns over tenants and mortgages? Source: Dash, Earl A. (March 25, 1971). "Broadway-Hale Buys Bergdorf's: Goodman Talked To Marcus,Liked Deal N-M Got: The Same Family". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 122, no. 58. pp. 1, 11.
Comment: The contestants for this show are being drip-fed, so I may add articles to this if anyone else lacks an article. I'd suggest running this on the day the series starts, probably the 22nd of September.
Created by Launchballer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 243 past nominations.
I didn't know what a "locum GP" is. Maybe that's a good thing, as it makes the first hook more "hooky". But can you clarify that in the lead of the article? Eg you can write "is a Scottish locum general practitioner (GP) from Glasgow." Also, in "Early life and medical career" please also clarify what's a "locum"? Might be helpful to link to Locum#United Kingdom healthcare.VR(Please ping on reply)13:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article looks good. My only concern is the hook states that it was while writing the story, whereas the article says he was a victim of an enforced disappearance shortly after ending the story. Thoughts on this? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The problem was that I started writing "on the fly", and by logic, if the story is completed (the comic itself is) he must have been kidnapped after finishing it. And yet, it happened a year earlier. I then corrected the article when I realized that and sought sources with more detail, but I forgot to update the lead. As for the proposed ALT1, that doesn't seem like better wording to me. "Murdered" (a public figure by a national government) would suggest something more visible and/or public, like a firing squad execution, and just "disappeared" sounds like a magic trick. A hook should be understood on its own, without any other context at all. "enforced disappearance" is more precise and does not leave space for misunderstandings. Cambalachero (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that in Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
Source: [34]Eleven Sub-Saharan countries have passed reproductive health laws, and nine of them specify grounds for legal abortion (the exceptions are Senegal and Madagascar).
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: The source specifies sub-Saharan Africa, so there could be theoretically countries in North Africa that have such laws which are not reflected and thus make the hook inadequate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, thanks for pointing that out. I could just tweak the hook to specify Sub-Saharan Africa; I think it's still reasonable to link that to the article.
... that in Sub-Saharan Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
Christian 2015, pp. 316, 400, "Dispersal over an unprecedented swath of the globe...coincided with an Ice Age...by the end of the era of climatic fluctuation, humans occupied almost all the habitats their descendants occupy today" harvnb error: no target: CITEREFChristian2015 (help)
Cajani, Luigi (2013). "Periodization". In Bentley, Jerry H. (ed.). The Oxford Handbook of World History. Oxford University Press. ISBN978-0-19-968606-3.
Thanks for pointing this out, I fixed the link. A hook on changes to life expectancy could be interesting. I think the article only covers this in the sentence Advances in medical science led to a sharp increase in global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.[552], which does not give us much to work with. Maybe:
The article was created on 10 August 2024 and nominated on the same day. It is thus eligible.
The article is sourced. I did some spot checks and the references checked out.
The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
Earwig did not pick up anything noteworthy.
QPQ done.
Hook review: I generally like the hook but I think it needs some further improvement:
Which is the source you think best states the fact that just a few memoirs of Soviet POW in German captivity exist?
Additionally two tweaks are necessary in my opinion: I think we cannot state that he "published" his memoir because it was published posthumously. Also, I did not find a source that sees this memoir as dealing with the deaths of 3 million POW.
So maybe you can think of a rephrasing of the hook that only claims that he wrote the memoir and that it is one of the few memoirs of a Soviet POW in German captivity?
Thanks for reviewing. If you need another source for it, Gerlach says, "Unfortunately, few POW accounts were ever published". The book explicitly covers "das Sterben der Kameraden", the three million figure is given in the hook as it contrasts the scale of the atrocity to the lack of sources and memoirs about it. (t · c) buidhe02:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that "Trust Issues" by Drake(pictured) was originally released in 2011 as a free download? Source: Ref: Drake slows down DJ Khaled’s “I’m on One” on “Trust Issues,” another new song released as a free download via his blog.
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Created by Dxneo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
The article notes: "Lorena Peril, long of Las Vegas stages and late of “Sin City Bad Girls” at the Las Vegas Hilton (the show closed this month), is joining “Fantasy” on Aug. 1 as the show’s primary singer, host and driving force."
The article notes: "Before she became the star of the show, she was a housekeeper at a Bay Area nursing home. "I would just sing while pushing the cart, knocking on doors," she remembered. "Just sing while scrubbing the toilets. It was a lot of work.""
Source: "A pier in Morecambe was damaged, and a train in Cumbria was blown over." from: "1903 Ulysses Storm among windiest ever in British Isles". BBC News. 24 April 2023. Retrieved 9 August 2024. The other source in the article details that the pier was broken in two places, which I think is enough for the qualifier "badly"
ALT1: ... that the 1903 Storm Ulysses(damage pictured) was so named because its effects were described in James Joyce's novel of the same name? Source: "Storm Ulysses is so called because it inspired a passage in James Joyce's famous novel Ulysses." from same source as above
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Approved only for ALT hook proposed by me. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
@Dharmadhyaksha and Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Looks like there is no issue now. The new hook is okay.
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 an end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer 10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I've given the History section a trim mostly for concision, but this should be good to go.--Launchballer 12:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DYKCOMPLETE
I have copyedited Mohan Charan Majhi, but 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election is very poorly-written and needs an extensive copyedit to meet WP:DYKCOMPLETE; if the article updaters are unable, I would recommend nominating it at WP:GOCE, but that may take too long. There is also the problem of the hook not being very interesting. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Apologies, I was under the impression that the above included a review. This is long enough, new enough, copyvio free and QPQ exempt. I don't see any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. This still needs someone else to approve ALT2.--Launchballer 19:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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